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The Harsh Truth or Fiction? GT "throwing wins away"

  • "Unfortunately for Tech fans, there is no easy fix for the passing problems. Incumbent starting quarterback Tevin Washington has a second baseman’s arm, not a shortstop’s, and his challenger, Synjyn Days, looked like a chuck-and-duck thrower in the spring."

    Ouch.

    http://www.accsports.com/teams/georgia-tech/2011062410599/tough-questions-is-tech-throwing-wins-away.php

    buzzgamefilm

  • anyone with half a brain knows we don't pass well and haven't. so, this article isn't exactly a blockbuster.

    remember--this piece is one on every team in the ACC that's meant to be a "hatchet job". personally, i think he could have done an easier job of proving our special teams killed us more last year at key times than the lack of timely completions. anyway . . . the numbers don't lie. and, neither do your eyes when you just watch our passing game. it's ugly. but, i don't think it's always gonna be this way . . .

    first of all, bringing a bona fide, dual-threat QB in vad lee is a BIG step in the right direction. can't wait to see how he develops! this latest QB pick up commit didn't look to bad on film, either. there will be more . . .

    bottom line for me is this--we MUST be able to keep defenses honest with a legit passing threat. when our ground game is truly clicking we're unstoppable by the other teams (we're only stopped by our own mistakes). that's also been proven time and again. top it off with a decent D, just serviceable special teams, and we're tough to beat, IMO.

    This post was edited by stonedwall on 6/24/2011 at 4:27 PM

    stonedwall

  • Fiction.

    When CPJ gets the QB in that can pass accurately and we have an O-line that can marginally pass block, we will kick ass. The main reason I'm optimistic is that CPJ knows how to run an offense that passes but hasn't had the people in the scheme to execute. That includes Navy. As CPJ said last year, the problem last year was the low (40%?) completion rate. Why pass when you can realistically expect more yards from the run option? And we got a lot more run yards with JN in there. (Don't forget we ended up #1 in rushing in D1.)

    You Ga Southern guys can correct me, but didn't CPJ have a great passing offense at GSU when he had the QB to execute? That wasn't decades ago as the article says.

    GaTech Navy Nuk

  • Ever hear of the Hambone?

    buzzgamefilm

  • buzzgamefilm said...

    Ever hear of the Hambone?

    tracy ham was THE best dual-threat QB i've ever seen. had the arm, the moves, the vision, and most important the confidence to make the correct reads. as much as JN was a bull, tracy was a quick, crafty, make something outta nothing runner who also had a helluvan arm.

    we find another tracy ham, a line that gels, and an above average D and we'll be top-5 year in and out.

    stonedwall

  • Who is Joey heisman?

    schwarzkov

  • stonedwall said...

    tracy ham was THE best dual-threat QB i've ever seen. had the arm, the moves, the vision, and most important the confidence to make the correct reads. as much as JN was a bull, tracy was a quick, crafty, make something outta nothing runner who also had a helluvan arm.

    we find another tracy ham, a line that gels, and an above average D and we'll be top-5 year in and out.

    How many six and seven loss seasons can CPJ survive until your big three items are realized? Assuming there is another Tracy Ham out there somewhere, which I don't believe there is, getting the defense and the offensive line on track in the same year is a big task. I think Coach Johnson is on the clock now, be it three years or five years, or whatever, it is time to show what kind of program he is capable of BUILDING on his own and not inheriting.

    This post was edited by Yukonwreck on 6/26/2011 at 8:39 AM

    Yukonwreck

  • GaTech Navy Nuke said...

    You Ga Southern guys can correct me, but didn't CPJ have a great passing offense at GSU when he had the QB to execute? That wasn't decades ago as the article says.

    From Tracy Ham's GSU Bio;

    Will long be remembered for his performance in the 1985 national championship game against Furman University when he rallied the Eagles from a 22-point deficit in the third quarter to beat Furman, 44-42, in one of the greatest comebacks in college football history... Totaled 509 yards of offense that night, completing five touchdowns passes - including the game winner with 10 seconds left in the game... Threw for 419 yards.... (Still have a VHS of that game, one of the most amazing performances ever)

    Raymond Gross GSU BIO -

    Ended career second in completions (265), attempts (507), yards (3,806) and touchdowns (18)... Career mark of 3.3 percent of passes intercepted (17 in 507) also ranked at the time the best ever...

    Both of these guys completed a high percentage of passes, were winners, and would more that keep the D honest. It is not a stretch to think we will have a QB and OL that can do this. PJ has worked these things out everywhere he has been. I have no doubt that he will do it again.

    wuzjrbuzz

  • GaTech Navy Nuke said...

    You Ga Southern guys can correct me, but didn't CPJ have a great passing offense at GSU when he had the QB to execute? That wasn't decades ago as the article says.

    That was 26 years ago, or 2.6 decades ago. A LONG time ago in football years.

    If GT football doesn't win at least 8 games with a victory over UGA next year, we need to start considering the post-Paul Johnson era.

    srschirm

  • srschirm said...

    That was 26 years ago, or 2.6 decades ago. A LONG time ago in football years.

    Good thing football goes in cycles.

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    pckl300

  • Yukonwreck said...

    How many six and seven loss seasons can CPJ survive until your big three items are realized?

    with the schedule we have this coming season, i can't foresee a .500 or losing season. now, having said that i can't begin to say i'm confident of how well we'll play in our wins or how convincing they'll be.

    as for CPJ being on the clock, i'll definitely say this--if i see more of the same BS from last year where this team doesn't hustle, lacks fire and focus, or just doesn't seem to want it THEN i'll stoke the coals under the "hot seat" myself. i wanna see a focused, TEAM effort. that's how we're gonna win ballgames, IMHO.

    stonedwall

  • We will get the perfect QB eventually...one of them will be able to pass (hopefully more than one).

    HelluvaMGTmjr

  • 419 passing yards? Dang. I'll say if CPJ can steal ONE guy who can throw and he successfully averages around 200 passing yards a game a 50 rushing yards a game, that one guy will open up our recruiting for years to come. That's all we really need is ONE steal. Heck, not even a steal, just a guy who's talented enough to be able to complete passes on a regular basis despite not practicing on it as much as most teams. When you factor in that he'll almost always see single coverage, its not that far of a stretch to think that guy could be coming soon....if hes not already on our team

    bleedgoldandwhite21

  • Yep the Eagles would throw and it seemed everytime they did a guy was wide open.We must do two things next year.First we have got to stop somebody on defense.Got to do this since we lose many games at the end when other team just drives it down our throats and of course,we have to throw the ball and find somebody to catch it.Give me the two things I posted and I will be a happy man except for our uniforms.

    cmack

  • :Yeah I think he is on the clock.Fourth year after three years of getting his players in the fold.I also think we win at least seven and the other four are tossups if and its a big if,we play defense.PJ may have the wrong offense for Tech but I really think last year there was so much turmoil that the kids packed it in on several games.I am wondering about Draq also.talk on ST is he is looking at Tenn or Carolina.Wonder what that is all about.

    cmack

  • Bleedgold, I hope you just described Vad. He is probably the first legitimate QB recruit of the CPJ era, and by legitimate I mean other teams were pursuing him at QB, not athlete...meaning he is good enough to make a living with his arm, very encouraging.

    This post was edited by HelluvaMGTmjr on 6/28/2011 at 8:36 AM

    HelluvaMGTmjr

  • HelluvaMGTmjr said...

    Bleedgold, I hope you just described Vad. He is probably the first legitimate QB recruit of the CPJ era, and by legitimate I mean other teams were pursuing him at QB, not athlete...meaning he is good enough to make a living with his arm, very encouraging.

    Quarterbacks do so much to define their teams. Even in this quirky offense, qb has to be a difference maker. If you just look at our quarterbacks since Shawn Jones, you really don't even need to check our record, you can tell by that one player if we had a decent team or not. Luginbill, Donnie Davis, Joe H., Goose, Suggs, Reggie, Taylor Bennett, Nesbitt, and Tevin. Looking at 20 years of football, with only a couple of bright spots---coinciding with credible quarterback play. Who will be the next Tech quarterback that MAKES THE TEAM GREAT? It is pretty plain to see that teams---at least Georgia Tech teams--cannot overcome mediocre quarterbacks and still perform at a high level. Is there a Kim King on the team today?

    Yukonwreck

  • I believe that this offense either has to have 2 of 3 of these to be very successful-
    1.great run backs group 2.solid OL 3. an strong combo run/pass QB

    we don't have any right now

    btw- looking at PJ stats-he has never averaged much over 100 yds a game passing

    alaguy

  • alaguy said...

    btw- looking at PJ stats-he has never averaged much over 100 yds a game passing

    speaking of 100 yards in the air and the option, if i recall correctly this past season at GA southern, when the eagles passed for at least 100 yards they won--less than 100 they lost.

    i think this stat proves you've gotta be able to keep the opposing D guessing OR keep a drive alive with a timely pass.

    stonedwall

  • alaguy said...

    I believe that this offense either has to have 2 of 3 of these to be very successful- 1.great run backs group 2.solid OL 3. an strong combo run/pass QB

    you give us a solid line and a QB who commands the option O and maintains a 58-60% completion rate and we'll win ballgames with serviceable backs.

    This post was edited by stonedwall on 6/29/2011 at 4:21 PM

    stonedwall

  • stonedwall said...

    you give us a solid line and a QB who commands the option O and maintains a 58-60% completion rate and we'll win ballgames with serviceable backs.

    yep, like I said 2 of 3

    alaguy

  • Researched Navy before and after Paul Johnson was there and if my memory serves correct, the completion percentage was under 50% every year. If there was a year above 50% it wasn't by much.

    Unless the current offense is completely revamped I don't think you will see completion percentages much above 50%

    Paul Johnson's philosophy is if you are going to throw and only gain 4-6 yards you might as well run it.

    You take the dink and dunks out of most passing teams' offenses and their percentage is around 50% or under.

    The key in Paul Johnson's offense is having the WR and QB who can connect on the homerun, not the ability to throw the short or intermediate ball.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Jim Hart on 7/2/2011 at 8:21 AM

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    Jim Hart

  • Jim Hart said...

    Researched Navy before and after Paul Johnson was there and if my memory serves correct, the completion percentage was under 50% every year. If there was a year above 50% it wasn't by much.

    Unless the current offense is completely revamped I don't think you will see completion percentages much above 50%.

    for reference--jaybo had a 50.7% completion rate for southern this past season. so, that's in line with your assessment of CPJ-style pass completions, jim. considering passing is so limited, 1 outta 2 ain't so bad. though, i'd like to see something over 55% myself.

    jaybo was extremely accurate on the intermediate routes for 3rd down conversions and on "keep 'em honest" passes for pretty big gains. we severely lacked these kinda completions last season. we need 'em!

    This post was edited by stonedwall on 7/2/2011 at 11:06 AM

    stonedwall

  • Y'all are forgetting all of our lateral and illegal forward passes though. :)

    wesleyd21