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As an ND fan, I hate to lose this kid. But, Congrats to Georgia Tech and Good Luck to Stephon!

I just heard.Very impressive.We needed a big boost like this so the def can start carrying the load for a change.
Now we have one FOR SURE guy in DL,LBs and DBs that has all-conf potential coming in.
Sweet.

PS no troll here, and for the record the self report from GT on SAT scores reflects only 55 Div 1 schools..... ND FB team consistently score approx 300 points below the average student which at the time of the article ran 1430 for incoming students with incoming players averaging 1130.....

Now can you please explain how kids who score so well fail to graduate ???? And PS the grad rate for the general student body at GT runs 70-75 %

Football Graduation Rates: ACC
Duke 96%
Boston College 91%
Wake Forest 81%
North Carolina 80%
Miami 75%
Florida St. 73%
Virginia Tech 71%
Virginia 68%
Clemson 67%
Maryland 60%
North Carolina St. 57%
Georgia Tech 49%
The ACC had the best football graduation rates among the BCS conferences again this year. Nine of the twelve ACC schools finished at or above the overall FBS grad rate of 67%.

Thats correct, vamos, and they also define what they mean by that in saying that he "will be an impact player and an All-American candidate".

Sounds good to me!

That's the 6 year graduation rate for GT students (4 year is only 31%), who generally are far superior incoming students to athletes (even though the athletes at GT are a substantial step above other public schools in the country as that USN&WR article shows). APR is measured over 5 years, so the athlete graduation rate is right in line with the rest of the student body.

Frankly, GT is just a very difficult school to graduate from. Always has been. That's the nature of the Institute, and it's the same for athletes as it is for non-athletes. If we graduated 90+% of our athletes, I'd be very concerned that there was some kind of impropriety going on - it's just extremely difficult for even the best students to get out of Tech in 4 years.

Maybe because we don't offer majors like "AfricanAmerican Studies" or "Self Designed Majors"?

What is the "athlete" major at ND? For the most part every school has one. At GT it is Management (Business), which is a real major and a well respected program. My hypothesis is that the limited degree selection at GT means that our athletes take harder courses than most. Heck, even Duke offers fluff majors...almost everybody does.

This is simply not true.

Pshhhhhhht, everyone knows the Mtrain is a fluff major at GT.

+1

I see the same thing in state here with VT. Many of their engineering kids transfer to other programs and at VT. Same thing at Purdue.

Engineering is just hard. At GT with a 2.7 average GPA and hyper competitive students, there are a lot of kids failing out all the time. (Can't wait for my daughter to graduate in May!)

Here's your difference right here: Notre Dame is very easy (relatively speaking, once you've gotten in) to graduate from, while GT, like most engineering schools, is not (even though its easier to get into than ND).

ND has 90% of its students graduate in 4 years (or less).

http://www.scholarships.com/ViewCollege_GraduationRates.aspx?uid=152080

As has been said, GT graduates only 31% in 4 years, and less than 70% in 5 years.

http://www.scholarships.com/ViewCollege_GraduationRates.aspx?uid=139755

Even compared to other top engineering schools, GT's graduation rate is REALLY low.

http://www.scholarships.com/ViewCollege_GraduationRates.aspx?uid=110404

http://www.scholarships.com/ViewCollege_GraduationRates.aspx?uid=166683

There were a good deal of GT students from my high school. I think a good chunk of them from my class and the class below me didn't graduate at all (from GT at least) and I couldn't name anyone I personally know who graduated in four years. They were all pretty smart too, generally doing about the same in high school as the bunch we placed into Ivy Leagues, MIT, Stanford, Duke, etc.

If regular students, who are allegedly smarter than football players, can't graduate in 5 years more than 70% of the time, imagine tossing in a time commitment like football on top of that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that football scholarships are only technically good for 5 years anyways - I don't think you can continue to take free classes once your eligibility is up (may be some exceptions though, like injury, celebrity, etc.)

sorry, I meant it TIC, my stupid emoticons won't work. I've got virus issues that are slowing my machine and messing with the functionality of websites. My shockwave player is corrupted to the point where it won't even let me reinstall or upgrade it. Aaarg!

If I'm not a 5* poster, I don't know who is! I was 5* for a while but was apparently downgraded after further evaluation.

Look I will leave this be, as I indicated earlier I refrained from posting until the kid committed, the thread that was pulled clearly was indicating that somehow ND was some second rate educational institution and that GT was the bastion of higher learning....

That is why we are year after year ranked in the top 20 schools for undergraduate education. Undergraduate degrees thats what they are in school for, the other thread kept spouting off stats about law school,graduate programs etc. which had nothing to do with the subject of undergraduate degrees etc. That would be like me spouting off that ND ranks in the top 10% for schools sending kids on to medical schools..... it is not relevant to the issue...

Don't p@## in my ear and tell me it's raining.

At ND ALL students must take 1st year studies that includes math (Calc) and (hard) science that you seem to think are optional. Students do not declare their majors until year two..... and there are no basket weaving,pottery classes, ball room dancing as you seem to imply you must be thinking of USC....

The football players are considered student first and foremost you struggle you get help, you don't go to class you get dropped. The coaches have nothing to do with student affairs. Res life controls that.You screw up you pay the price and man up. No coach steps in and announces that this is a life lesson for the young man..... See Ohio state or PSU who had the players who were guilty of B and E and related felonies clean the stadium and miss a quarter of one game. Nice life lesson.

Good luck you got a good player and a nice kid. And for the record GT is a GREAT school, Hope GT does well.

I still hold that it is a legitimate question why are kids recruited who never graduate. This is just not at GT but at many of the Div 1 schools.

It is a crime when a kid who will never see the field on sunday gets nothing out of his time in college and schools fail to graduate less the 70% of the FB players JMOP.